Dear Instructors,
in the mentioned lecture, the instructor gives a wonderful explanation on "Ishvara", the Being. He then delves into the devotion to our own particular Being, but uses the Lord's prayer as an example of it, particularly the verse:
This is confusing to me - isn't the Pater Noster approaching the highest form of consciousness - the Absolute? Whereas our Innermost is let's say - a fragment, a spark of its manifested light?
I was under the notion that when I am praying the Pater Noster, I am connecting with the highest aspect of divinity to seek guidance, protection, and spiritual nourishment that maybe goes beyond me as an individual.
Whereas when I am connecting to my Being, through perhaps the "OM" mantra, I am doing so with the means to elevate my personal consciousness.
Does this imply that when a group of ten prays the Pater Noster prayer in unison with a uniform goal, they are in fact approaching ten unique "Fathers"? Maybe through a shift in intention, the prayer may be used to approach either my Being, or the Absolute?
Thank you for clearing up the confusion for me.
in the mentioned lecture, the instructor gives a wonderful explanation on "Ishvara", the Being. He then delves into the devotion to our own particular Being, but uses the Lord's prayer as an example of it, particularly the verse:
Thy will be done, on earth as it is in Heaven.
This is confusing to me - isn't the Pater Noster approaching the highest form of consciousness - the Absolute? Whereas our Innermost is let's say - a fragment, a spark of its manifested light?
I was under the notion that when I am praying the Pater Noster, I am connecting with the highest aspect of divinity to seek guidance, protection, and spiritual nourishment that maybe goes beyond me as an individual.
Whereas when I am connecting to my Being, through perhaps the "OM" mantra, I am doing so with the means to elevate my personal consciousness.
Does this imply that when a group of ten prays the Pater Noster prayer in unison with a uniform goal, they are in fact approaching ten unique "Fathers"? Maybe through a shift in intention, the prayer may be used to approach either my Being, or the Absolute?
Thank you for clearing up the confusion for me.
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This is confusing to me - isn't the Pater Noster approaching the highest form of consciousness - the Absolute? Whereas our Innermost is let's say - a fragment, a spark of its manifested light?
The Pater Noster is synthesizing the whole Tree of Life, all the parts of our Being at once. When we speak intellectually about our Being, about the higher Sephiroth and the Absolute, we simplify it in order to grasp it mentally. But in reality the Being has many autonomous parts, is powerful, infinitely wise and can take any form that we need. So we should not assume that the Being is this "poor little divine thing" that fell from the Absolute. The Being is the whole Tree of Life. The separation between Tree of Life and the Absolute is a frontier for our consciousness, the limit to which we can grasp out Being. The limit is not for the Being
Does this imply that when a group of ten prays the Pater Noster prayer in unison with a uniform goal, they are in fact approaching ten unique "Fathers"? Maybe through a shift in intention, the prayer may be used to approach either my Being, or the Absolute?
When a group of ten pours water from their individual cups into an ocean, do they approach ten unique oceans? Surely, the water in the ocean is composed of many drops of water, but does it make sense to distinguish them? Is it natural for the single water drop to seem itself as something different than the rest of the ocean? Or would it rather enjoy the vast unity and wouldn't care where the ocean ends or not?
We suffer this immense illusion of being a separate entity from everything we see outside of us. And we suffer the illusion of being separate from our Being, our Father. Separation into categories and entities is the function of our intellect. We need to understand our existence intuitively in order to grasp it. Keep it simple and just try to connect to whatever part of your Being you are drawn to. All of the parts are there with us anyway.
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This is confusing to me - isn't the Pater Noster approaching the highest form of consciousness - the Absolute? Whereas our Innermost is let's say - a fragment, a spark of its manifested light?
The Pater Noster is synthesizing the whole Tree of Life, all the parts of our Being at once. When we speak intellectually about our Being, about the higher Sephiroth and the Absolute, we simplify it in order to grasp it mentally. But in reality the Being has many autonomous parts, is powerful, infinitely wise and can take any form that we need. So we should not assume that the Being is this "poor little divine thing" that fell from the Absolute. The Being is the whole Tree of Life. The separation between Tree of Life and the Absolute is a frontier for our consciousness, the limit to which we can grasp out Being. The limit is not for the Being
Does this imply that when a group of ten prays the Pater Noster prayer in unison with a uniform goal, they are in fact approaching ten unique "Fathers"? Maybe through a shift in intention, the prayer may be used to approach either my Being, or the Absolute?
When a group of ten pours water from their individual cups into an ocean, do they approach ten unique oceans? Surely, the water in the ocean is composed of many drops of water, but does it make sense to distinguish them? Is it natural for the single water drop to seem itself as something different than the rest of the ocean? Or would it rather enjoy the vast unity and wouldn't care where the ocean ends or not?
We suffer this immense illusion of being a separate entity from everything we see outside of us. And we suffer the illusion of being separate from our Being, our Father. Separation into categories and entities is the function of our intellect. We need to understand our existence intuitively in order to grasp it. Keep it simple and just try to connect to whatever part of your Being you are drawn to. All of the parts are there with us anyway.
Thank you for such a wonderful response, I have been coming back to mull it over. Even though I understand this only very superficially, I can still make some sense of this answer. It helped.
Really should’ve expressed my gratitude sooner though.
Really should’ve expressed my gratitude sooner though.
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